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V zadnji številki revije Distance Runnning, ki ga izdaja AIMS, je članek o tem, kako preprečiti nevarnost nenadne smrti na maratonu:
http://www.distancerunning.co.uk/downloads.htm

How to protect yourself from Sudden Death - IMMDA advisory

Running in Marathons and half Marathons brings intrinsic risks, which sometimes result in Sudden death - always widely reported in the mass media. At a scientific meeting held in Barcelona on 20 March the International Marathon Medical Directors’ Association (IMMDA) considered how risks can at least partly be offset through understanding and respecting the distance.

Current theory behind Sudden Death in endurance running suggests that this very often arises from underlying conditions of which the runner was not previously aware. Exercise can increase the risk of cardiac incidents, including heart attack and death, but the risk is reduced by regular exercise (above all by exercise honed into a specific training programme). Striving to surpass the runner’s established level (as all competitors do, in a race) may bring various mechanisms into play that can have a seriously adverse effect.

These include:
i) the release of muscle enzymes which may activate platelets and produce a clot and a less oxygenated blood flow to the cardiac muscle
ii) risks associated with increased caffeine consumption (above 200mg) during endurance exercise.
iii) the dilution of sodium within the body (Hyponatremia). This is preventable if runners drink for thirst, take sports drinks and salt, and do not take non steroidal antiinflammatories while running.
iv) a significantly increased effort over the last mile; increased adrenaline levels could drive a susceptible cardiac muscle into an unhealthy rhythm or even a stoppage.

To reduce risks, IMMDA suggests that runners should:
1. Adjust their ambitions to their preparedness; they should not only be sufficiently trained, but also define a personal goal and a corresponding race plan that is appropriate for their level of training and fitness.
2. Undergo a yearly medical examination in which exercise, plans, goals are fully discussed.
3. Consume one 81mg aspirin on the morning of a long run or walk of 10km or more, if there is nomedical contra-indication.
4. Consume less than 200mg caffeine before and during a race of 10km or more.
5. Only drink a sports drink or its equivalent during a workout of 10km or more.
6. Drink only for thirst
7. Not take any non steroidal antiinflammatory during a run or walk of 10km or more.
8. Consume some salt (if no medical contra-indication) during a run or walk of 10km or more.
9. During the last mile, maintain pace and avoid sprinting the last part of the race.
#221386
ton napisal/-a:Ni mi jasna tista z aspirinom (je bil Bayer sponzor srečanja ali kaj?) in tista o žeji: ena uveljavljenih krilatic pri dolgih tekih je, da je rehidracija v trenutku, ko nas zažeja, že prepozna.


Ton laično na prvi del - aspirin "redči kri" in s tem zmanša možnost nastanka krvnega strdka ter s tem srčnega infarkta (ampak se pa zato menda poveča možnost krvavitve in zmanjša hitrost strjevanja krvi). Naj me kakšen zdravnik dopolni.
Nekaj o aspirinu (glej delovanje in stranski učinki)
Skratka sam ga ne bi jemal za tek.
http://www2.arnes.si/~kziber1/zanimivo/aspirin.htm

Aja, moram še zračunati koliko coca-cole je treba za 200 mg Kofeina. Mislim, da bo podatek zanimiv še za koga (Zajec :drink )
Nazadnje spremenil raziskovalec, dne 21 Apr 2010, 15:44, skupaj popravljeno 1 krat.
#221441
Ojoj! V resnici so aspirin začeli predpisovati kot zaščito proti infarktu ampak kolikor vem se je potem izkazalo da je cela štala z čirom na želodcu in te stvari...

Skratka, a bi lahko pač tekli po svojih zmožnostih in uživali v teku pa će tudi namesto infarkta pretečeš maraton v več kot štirih urah...
#221465
sorry ampak se mi zdi da se malo preveč "zaletavate", brez da bi pozorno prebrali

1. Adjust their ambitions to their preparedness; they should not only be sufficiently trained, but also define a personal goal and a corresponding race plan that is appropriate for their level of training and fitness.
S TEM NI NIČ NAROBE SAJ JE VERJETNO MED NAMI KAR NEKAJ LJUDI, KI PRECENJUJE SVOJE SPOSOBNOSTI IN SE UDELEŽUJEJO TEKEM NA PODLAGI TEGA KAR SO BILI SPOSOBNI PRETEČI LANI ALI PA ŠE KAKŠNO LETO PRED TEM.

2. Undergo a yearly medical examination in which exercise, plans, goals are fully discussed.
ZAKAJ NE? POZNAM LJUDI, KI JIH JE MOŽGANSKA KAP ZADELA PRI 37 LETIH. S TEM DA SO PO VSEH SPREJETIH NORMAH ŽIVELI ZDRAVO ŽIVLJENJE.

3. Consume one 81mg aspirin on the morning of a long run or walk of 10km or more, if there is nomedical contra-indication.
S JE KDO VPRAŠAL KOLIKO VSEBUJE ENA TABLETA ASPIRINA -500 mg. TOREJ ČE SE NA LETO UDELEŽIŠ 6 TEKEM MARATON/POLMARATON JE TO ENA TABLETA NA LETO. NE VEM SICER OD KJE IZRAČUN 81mg.

4. Consume less than 200mg caffeine before and during a race of 10km or more.
200mg = 1,6 l COCA COLE ali 4-5 KAPUČINOV. SPOROČILO JE JASNO -KAVA JE POŽIVILO A NE PRETIRAVAJTE.

5. Only drink a sports drink or its equivalent during a workout of 10km or more.

6. Drink only for thirst
DRINK FOR THIRST NE POMENI DA PIJEŠ KO SI ŽEJEN AMPAK POMENI DA PIJEŠ DOVOLJ DA POGASIŠ ŽEJO. RAZLIKA JE V TEM DA NE PIJEŠ PREVEČ, KAR LAHKO PRIVEDE DO HIPONATREMIJE. KOT NAVAJAJO V TEKSTU. ZATO TUDI PRIPOROČILO POD TOČKO 5.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia

7. Not take any non steroidal antiinflammatory during a run or walk of 10km or more.
NA KRATKO NSAID = non steroidal antiinflammatory drugs = nesteroidni antirevmatiki

A recent meta-analysis of all trials comparing NSAIDs found an 80% increase in the risk of myocardial infarction with both newer COX-2 antagonists and high dose traditional anti-inflammatories compared with placebo.
^ Kearney, Pm; Baigent, C; Godwin, J; Halls, H; Emberson, Jr; Patrono, C (June 2006). "Do selective cyclo-oxygenase-2 inhibitors and traditional nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs increase the risk of atherothrombosis? Meta-analysis of randomised trials" (Free full text). BMJ (Clinical research ed.) 332 (7553): 1302–8. doi:10.1136/bmj.332.7553.1302. ISSN 0959-8138. PMID 16740558. PMC 1473048. http://bmj.com/cgi/pmidlookup?view=long&pmid=16740558.

NSAIDs aside from (low-dose) aspirin are associated with a doubled risk of symptomatic heart failure in patients without a history of cardiac disease. In patients with such a history, however, use of NSAIDs (aside from low-dose aspirin) was associated with more than 10-fold increase in heart failure. If this link is found to be causal, NSAIDs are estimated to be responsible for up to 20 percent of hospital admissions for congestive heart failure.^ a b Page, J; Henry, D (March 2000). "Consumption of NSAIDs and the development of congestive heart failure in elderly patients: an underrecognized public health problem" (Free full text). Archives of internal medicine 160 (6): 777–84. doi:10.1001/archinte.160.6.777. ISSN 0003-9926. PMID 10737277. http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/pmidlo ... d=10737277.
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Torek kar se mene tiče popolnoma nič pretresljivo spornega v zgoraj zapisanem članku. Se mi zdi da bi se moral raje marsikdo vprašati kaj vsebuje njegov/njen najlubši športni napitek/gel/ploščica, kot pa to kar piše zgoraj.
#221495
medved pu napisal/-a:Torek kar se mene tiče popolnoma nič pretresljivo spornega v zgoraj zapisanem članku. Se mi zdi da bi se moral raje marsikdo vprašati kaj vsebuje njegov/njen najlubši športni napitek/gel/ploščica, kot pa to kar piše zgoraj.



S to trditvijo se zelo strinjam :idea:

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